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DZ-02: Do the Screenplay Gurus score big at the Box Office?

Do the biggest original films of 2013 follow more archetypal - or formulaic - structures?

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17 MAR 2014

Show Notes

Part 2 of our Screenplay Gurus series takes the same lens from Part 1 — Vogler, Snyder and Hauge — and points it at the two highest-grossing original films of 2013: GRAVITY and FROZEN. No franchise, no sequel. Just the two films that audiences went to see in the biggest numbers that year, and the question of what their scripts actually look like when you run them against the guru formulas.

The short answer is: both films cleave much more closely to these structures than the award-season dramas we looked at in Part 1. Which is interesting — but not as interesting as how they deviate when you look more carefully.

GRAVITY maps onto Vogler’s Hero’s Journey in surprising depth: the umbilical tether as threshold crossing, Matt Kowalski as Obi-Wan, the hallucinated ghost in the pod giving the “use the Force” instruction. The structure isn’t just present — it’s legible, almost mythological. FROZEN brings a genuine dual-protagonist puzzle (who is actually driving the story — Anna or Elsa?) and a third act that plays out under its own rules rather than anybody’s formula.

What starts to emerge is that the frameworks are more useful at some points than others. Vogler has real things to say about Act 3; Snyder’s “finale — finish it” turns out to be pretty thin guidance for actually generating that emotional hit. And as Chas lands at the end of the episode: the three-act model itself might not be the useful unit. Sequences might be. Though you’ll have to wait quite a few episodes until we tackle them!

The craft questions in this episode:

  • When a framework beat is present but compressed — a half-page refusal of the call, three lines of dialogue — what is it actually doing for the story?
  • FROZEN has a protagonist who barely changes and a secondary character who changes enormously. Who is actually driving? Does it matter?
  • If the three-act model makes Act 2 and Act 3 feel like a single blob, what happens if you think in sequences instead?

We also go deep on the frameworks’ different coverage of the Dark Night of the Soul — which Stu argues is less a formula beat and more a question every writer should be able to answer for their character. What is the lowest point? What does it take to get out of it? That turns out to be something these frameworks are, and aren’t, equipped to help with.

"I think as soon as you are stretching them in any way, they’re losing their value as a rigid tool."

Chas Fisher  |  DZ-02: Do the Screenplay Gurus score big at the Box Office?

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Resources

Chapters

  • 00:00:00 – Cold Open
  • 00:00:14 – Do Blockbusters Follow the Guru Formulas?
  • 00:00:22 – › Why tentpole films suit archetypal structures better than biopics
  • 00:02:18 – › How animation's iterative process shapes story before the page is final
  • 00:07:20 – GRAVITY
  • 00:10:37 – › Opening and closing images as the survival-rebirth mirror
  • 00:14:13 – › The catalyst as herald announcement and its limits as a call to adventure
  • 00:19:54 – › Debate sequence as escalating refusal to acknowledge danger
  • 00:24:45 – › Where Act 1 breaks and why both Vogler and Snyder readings are valid
  • 00:33:48 – › The mentor's tether as umbilical cord and threshold crossing
  • 00:39:44 – › Midpoint: Ryan assumes Matt's voice and starts driving the story
  • 00:44:12 – › All is lost, Dark Night of the Soul, and the ghost-of-Obi-Wan solution
  • 00:48:56 – › Road back, resurrection in the water, and return with the elixir
  • 00:54:40 – FROZEN
  • 00:57:45 – › Who is the protagonist when the secondary character has the bigger arc
  • 01:00:01 – › Long first act, dual characters, and the coronation as catalyst
  • 01:04:34 – › Tests, allies, and the promise of the premise in the mountain sequence
  • 01:07:06 – › Midpoint: Anna struck in the heart and the false peak of the plan
  • 01:12:05 – › Where Vogler's ordeal and Snyder's bad-guys-close-in diverge
  • 01:17:08 – › Resurrection, the act of true love, and the elixir Elsa receives
  • 01:21:45 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
  • 01:23:45 – Next Episode Preview & Sign Off

KEY IDEAS

Dark Night of the Soul as Character Question

"Dark Night of the Soul is less a formula beat and more a question every writer should be able to answer for their character. What is the lowest point? What does it take to get out of it?"

— Stu Willis (00:43:23) · Act Three · Character Agency

Story Beats Beyond the Three-Act Structure

"I think the biggest thing that I've learned is that I think all these story beats are here. But I think what is actually an unhelpful idea and concept is that there is three acts."

— Chas Fisher (01:22:42) · Plotting · Sequences

Genre Conventions As Flexible Tools

"So we found areas of those two scripts where the guru formulas, as we're referring to them, Snyder, Hauge, and Vogler, fit and some didn't fit. But I just wanted to say, because I don't think we covered it in our last episode, that we were stretching these formulas to fit at several points. And I think as soon as you are doing that, as soon as you're stretching them"

— Chas Fisher (00:00:32) · Genre Conventions

Setting Immediate, Understandable Stakes

"This screenplay is incredible at setting goals that the audience understands so clearly and so quickly and they're all related to survival."

— Chas Fisher (00:26:54) · Stakes · Act One

Sound Design Creating Character Contrast

"The mirror image is her on land, back on Earth, standing up and being surrounded by sound. And that's something that they've done a very good job of in the film. It's not as written as much on the script, but the sound plays a particularly important role in creating that contrast."

— Stu Willis (00:10:24) · Character Agency · Sequences

Genre Conventions As Flexible Tools

"So we found areas of those two scripts where the guru formulas, as we're referring to them, Snyder, Hauge, and Vogler, fit and some didn't fit. But I just wanted to say, because I don't think we covered it in our last episode, that we were stretching these formulas to fit at several points. And I think as soon as you are doing that, as soon as you're stretching them in any way, they're losing their value as a rigid tool. And I think it was something that we came to is that these structures may have a use and a purpose in writing, but they shouldn't be adhered to as if they are gospel."

— Chas Fisher (00:00:32) · Genre Conventions as Flexible Tools


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