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DZ-01: Do Screenplay Gurus win you Oscars?

Do Oscar-Nominated screenwriters follow the structural formulas prescribed by the 'gurus' and books?

1 MAR 2014

Show Notes

Three of the most widely read structure books in screenwriting — Snyder’s Save the Cat, Vogler’s The Writer’s Journey, and Michael Hauge’s Six Stages — all make essentially the same claim: this is how great films are built. In our debut episode, we run that claim against two Oscar-nominated films to see if it holds: PHILOMENA and DALLAS BUYERS CLUB.

We map both against Snyder, Hauge, and Vogler, looking for where the beats land, where they don’t, and — more usefully — what those gaps reveal about how the films actually work. As Chas puts it: “the answer as to whether these structural theories apply is actually less important than what the act of testing them against great films teaches us

PHILOMENA turns out to be a dual-protagonist script that makes the frameworks interesting precisely because it doesn’t fit cleanly.

DALLAS BUYERS CLUB seemingly has a cleaner structure — the A-plot is Ron Woodruff’s drug-smuggling operation — but the more interesting structural question is the B-story: Stu identifies it as “the battle for Ron’s soul,” with Rayon and Eve staging Ron’s transformation from a man “sick in both body and soul” into something else.

The structural question we keep returning to: if a great film breaks the rules, does that mean there are no rules, or that it found something better?

And we skim over a few other ideas: why we picked these films over other nominees, the problem with Page 12 catalysts, and whether “Save the Cat” moments are actually doing what Snyder says they are.

"I think the idea of it being that the midpoint is there. And then you’ve got the major set back, which is turning point four. And then you’ve got the final push, which is the next stage, the fifth stage, and then the climax."

Stu Willis  |  DZ-01: Do Screenplay Gurus win you Oscars?

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Resources

Chapters

  • 00:00:00 – Cold Open
  • 00:00:06 – Do Screenplay Gurus Win You Oscars?
  • 00:02:25 – › The case for empirical analysis over guru formulas
  • 00:04:18 – › Why these two Oscar nominees were chosen to test the theories
  • 00:07:03 – PHILOMENA
  • 00:08:56 – › Snyder's beat sheet mapped against a dual-protagonist script
  • 00:15:37 – › Where the refusal of the call disappears into a flashback sequence
  • 00:22:10 – › How escalating reveals replace conventional second-act structure
  • 00:28:45 – › Fun and games, the midpoint, and a 16-page gap from Snyder's prescription
  • 00:35:35 – › All Is Lost and Dark Night of the Soul across two protagonists
  • 00:44:11 – › Why Hauge's percentages fit a dual-protagonist script better than Snyder's pages
  • 00:51:31 – › Vogler's reward and road back as the stronger model for act three
  • 01:01:16 – DALLAS BUYERS CLUB
  • 01:06:04 – › The break into act two and the decision that happens off screen
  • 01:11:36 – › Rayon, Eve, and the battle for Ron's soul as the B story
  • 01:16:07 – › A bust-and-recovery rhythm replacing conventional midpoint structure
  • 01:24:09 – › How escalating antagonism substitutes for a visible act-three break
  • 01:30:26 – › Ron's personal victory as the only climax a biopic needs
  • 01:33:02 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
  • 01:35:30 – › Next episode: testing gurus on mainstream box office hits

KEY IDEAS

Guru Authority

"Specificity creates the appearance of authority. Picking page 12 sounds more researched than around page 10, which is what most people say is around the 10 minute mark. Page 12 sounds specific and it kind of gives it a bit of an authority."

— Stu Willis (00:09:41) · Plotting

Act Two

"I think everyone finds the second act really bloody hard, and I think the gurus don't have anything much to say about it."

— Stu Willis (00:58:12) · Act Two

DBC B-Story

"What I call this is, I think there's a subplot and both Eve and Rayon are part of this, is it's the battle for Ron's soul. They're his antagonists for being a good person."

— Chas Fisher (01:11:40) · Character Arcs

Dual Protagonist

"I genuinely believe this is one of those few dual protagonist films where almost like rom-com but most rom-coms lean towards one character or another. There's very few where both characters are driving, you know, their own swathes of the movie and have their own complete journeys."

— Chas Fisher (00:18:41) · Dual Protoganist

Formulas as Starting Points

"These gurus and these structures and these formulas might be a good place to jump off of, but never to hold you back."

— Chas Fisher (01:05:16) · Craft Tools


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