DZ-86: Backmatter – Minimum Viable Product

How do you determine what is your MVP?

In their annual full backwater episode, Stu and Chas let out their pandemic hair, drop the ruse of objectivity, and allow themselves to have even more options about writing and the business of writing.

In this Backmatter entry, they go deep on: future episode topics; their screenwriting lessons from 2021 (especially on control); pitching projects; the minimum viable product & minimum loveable thing; and share their exper iences with running a writers workshop/group.

There are no Star Wars references in this episode, but there are plenty of Die Hard ones. Die Hard is the new Star Wars. Get over it.

Thanks to Chris Walker for editing this episode.


  • 00:00:00 – Intro: Backmatter
  • 00:03:02 – Looking Forward – Episode Ideas 
  • 00:19:40 – Looking Back – Screenwriting Lessons
  • 00:49:46 – Looking Now – Processes
  • 01:28:26 – Outro


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